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	<title>Comments on: Core Security Apologizes, &quot;Not Cool Enough For Core 2009&quot; gathering proposed</title>
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		<title>By: Wesley McGrew</title>
		<link>http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/2009/06/24/core-security-apologizes-not-cool-enough-for-core-2009-gathering-proposed/#comment-573</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley McGrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome comment, John Doe.  I really appreciate you taking the time to write that on here, and I hope that the Core folks that are visiting all these posts each day take note!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome comment, John Doe.  I really appreciate you taking the time to write that on here, and I hope that the Core folks that are visiting all these posts each day take note!</p>
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		<title>By: John Doe</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can attest that this isnt a &quot;small fish&quot; game.  I&#039;ve had several run in with core&#039;s sales reps and they always end negativly.

The pushy and rude tactics has actually cost them sales at the fortune 50 company I work for.

If you work for a big company you know that you cant beat them off with a metal bat, however if you let them think you cant make those kind of decisions they&#039;ll make sure to spit in your face before getting off the call.

I wouldnt take it personaly, core has a history of playing the cool security kid game, I can assure you it comes back to haunt them when the decision maker they&#039;re trying to impress is the random suit they insulted at the last con or webexpo they held...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can attest that this isnt a &#8220;small fish&#8221; game.  I&#8217;ve had several run in with core&#8217;s sales reps and they always end negativly.</p>
<p>The pushy and rude tactics has actually cost them sales at the fortune 50 company I work for.</p>
<p>If you work for a big company you know that you cant beat them off with a metal bat, however if you let them think you cant make those kind of decisions they&#8217;ll make sure to spit in your face before getting off the call.</p>
<p>I wouldnt take it personaly, core has a history of playing the cool security kid game, I can assure you it comes back to haunt them when the decision maker they&#8217;re trying to impress is the random suit they insulted at the last con or webexpo they held&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Core Security: Fun with my web logs &#171; McGrew Security Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/2009/06/24/core-security-apologizes-not-cool-enough-for-core-2009-gathering-proposed/#comment-571</link>
		<dc:creator>Core Security: Fun with my web logs &#171; McGrew Security Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] separate requests for the &#8220;Core Security Apologizes, Not Cool Enough for Core 2009 Gathering Proposed&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: LonerVamp</title>
		<link>http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/2009/06/24/core-security-apologizes-not-cool-enough-for-core-2009-gathering-proposed/#comment-570</link>
		<dc:creator>LonerVamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i.e. other parties with better strippers!

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i.e. other parties with better strippers!<br />
 <img src='http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Wesley McGrew</title>
		<link>http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/2009/06/24/core-security-apologizes-not-cool-enough-for-core-2009-gathering-proposed/#comment-569</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley McGrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an excellent question, because that was never mentioned in the phone call.

They actually never voiced a decision about inviting me in the first place when they called the first time, although it was pretty apparent from the tone of the conversation that I had a snowball&#039;s chance in hell of actually getting in.

If they did turn around and offer me an invite, I would probably drop by for a drink or two and chat with the Core folks for a bit.  It would depend on the scheduling, though, as I think I&#039;ll have more actual fun with other disenfranchised potential attendees outside of the party.

A point I&#039;m not sure that I&#039;ve made clearly yet is that it&#039;s entirely possible for Core to do the kind of screening they want for a party like this before sending out the email invites in the first place.  If you&#039;re already spending piles of money on Core Impact, then it&#039;s a no brainer: they have a list and those folks should absolutely get invites.  If you have enough money to be a potential Core Impact customer, then you&#039;re on a very short list, and you have every right to expect that Core knows &quot;who you are&quot; before contacting you.  Making people audition for a pass by asking them questions they&#039;ve already answered, and then playing the game of &quot;oh we&#039;ll see if you make the cut&quot; and &quot;there&#039;s a waiting list!&quot; is just plain silly and insulting.

Hopefully they&#039;ll stay true to their word and change that, and perhaps run their marketing folks through some etiquette training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an excellent question, because that was never mentioned in the phone call.</p>
<p>They actually never voiced a decision about inviting me in the first place when they called the first time, although it was pretty apparent from the tone of the conversation that I had a snowball&#8217;s chance in hell of actually getting in.</p>
<p>If they did turn around and offer me an invite, I would probably drop by for a drink or two and chat with the Core folks for a bit.  It would depend on the scheduling, though, as I think I&#8217;ll have more actual fun with other disenfranchised potential attendees outside of the party.</p>
<p>A point I&#8217;m not sure that I&#8217;ve made clearly yet is that it&#8217;s entirely possible for Core to do the kind of screening they want for a party like this before sending out the email invites in the first place.  If you&#8217;re already spending piles of money on Core Impact, then it&#8217;s a no brainer: they have a list and those folks should absolutely get invites.  If you have enough money to be a potential Core Impact customer, then you&#8217;re on a very short list, and you have every right to expect that Core knows &#8220;who you are&#8221; before contacting you.  Making people audition for a pass by asking them questions they&#8217;ve already answered, and then playing the game of &#8220;oh we&#8217;ll see if you make the cut&#8221; and &#8220;there&#8217;s a waiting list!&#8221; is just plain silly and insulting.</p>
<p>Hopefully they&#8217;ll stay true to their word and change that, and perhaps run their marketing folks through some etiquette training.</p>
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		<title>By: cmlh</title>
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		<dc:creator>cmlh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Core reversed their decision and now offered an invitation?</description>
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