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		<title>By: Avid Reader</title>
		<link>http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/2009/10/07/book-review-the-rootkit-arsenal/#comment-779</link>
		<dc:creator>Avid Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 21:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I spent a couple of hours today checking it out. Yes, the last 200 pages are source-code dump, and the first Windows overview that any programmer who&#039;d be interestin in this topic probably already knows from better sources, but:: to be fair,  the middle does look interesting. I&#039;ll read it some more tomorrow, and if fattening is the only sin here, I&#039;ll buy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I spent a couple of hours today checking it out. Yes, the last 200 pages are source-code dump, and the first Windows overview that any programmer who&#8217;d be interestin in this topic probably already knows from better sources, but:: to be fair,  the middle does look interesting. I&#8217;ll read it some more tomorrow, and if fattening is the only sin here, I&#8217;ll buy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley McGrew</title>
		<link>http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/2009/10/07/book-review-the-rootkit-arsenal/#comment-778</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley McGrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, at least you gave it a fair shot and took a look at it.  Sorry you got so worked up about it.

I didn&#039;t personally sit over his shoulder as he did so, but I do believe Bejtlich read this book, and is not part of a reviewing &quot;service&quot; as you describe.  I&#039;m well aware of such services, and it just doesn&#039;t make sense that he&#039;d be a part of one, as I discussed above.

For what it&#039;s worth, most people around here that I have recommended this book to haven&#039;t &quot;already read Windows Internals and a couple of device-driver-development books&quot;, and got a lot out of the Windows material you didn&#039;t like.  It might not be what you&#039;re personally looking for if you&#039;re already knowledgable on those topics, but you can follow what&#039;s going on in this book without a lot of pre-requisite knowledge and that&#039;s a good thing for a lot of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, at least you gave it a fair shot and took a look at it.  Sorry you got so worked up about it.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t personally sit over his shoulder as he did so, but I do believe Bejtlich read this book, and is not part of a reviewing &#8220;service&#8221; as you describe.  I&#8217;m well aware of such services, and it just doesn&#8217;t make sense that he&#8217;d be a part of one, as I discussed above.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, most people around here that I have recommended this book to haven&#8217;t &#8220;already read Windows Internals and a couple of device-driver-development books&#8221;, and got a lot out of the Windows material you didn&#8217;t like.  It might not be what you&#8217;re personally looking for if you&#8217;re already knowledgable on those topics, but you can follow what&#8217;s going on in this book without a lot of pre-requisite knowledge and that&#8217;s a good thing for a lot of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Avid Reader</title>
		<link>http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/2009/10/07/book-review-the-rootkit-arsenal/#comment-777</link>
		<dc:creator>Avid Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 23:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not reading too much: it&#039;s a gigantic business. Amazon (and other places, including blogs, btw) are full of shills posting five-star lies for every piece of crap that&#039;s published. Don&#039;t be so innocent. Google for &quot;reviewing services&quot; and see what you get. It&#039;s a large industry of whores stealing money from the reading public. Do you think this fuck Bejtlich read this 1000-page book? Read his review: he says nothing that would demonstrate that; he dribbles some generalities instead. He probably thumbed through and posted his &quot;scratch-my-back&quot; review. Btw, I stopped by my local B&amp;N today - and indeed they have this book. I didn&#039;t have enough time to really dig into it, but even upon a superficial perusement it appears fattened: the last third is source code dump (no wonder it comes w/o electronic version); the first (probably half) is general Windows stuff (kinda like what one database &quot;guru&quot; did a few years ago in order to fatten his 200-page book into a 1000-page monstrosity that he probably thought will make us think it&#039;s worth a good chunk of money). Is it reasonable to believe that a guy who&#039;d buy this book (Blunden&#039;s) will not have already read Windows Internals and a couple of device-driver-development books? But this stuff takes enormous amounts of space, so he plugged it all in and immediately the resulting book is fat and looking expensive. I&#039;ll spend more time with it next week and will see whether this is justified in any way. This is typical Wordware tricks btw: fifty pages of written material and two hundred of goddamn ASCII tables and reprinted Intel instruction manuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not reading too much: it&#8217;s a gigantic business. Amazon (and other places, including blogs, btw) are full of shills posting five-star lies for every piece of crap that&#8217;s published. Don&#8217;t be so innocent. Google for &#8220;reviewing services&#8221; and see what you get. It&#8217;s a large industry of whores stealing money from the reading public. Do you think this fuck Bejtlich read this 1000-page book? Read his review: he says nothing that would demonstrate that; he dribbles some generalities instead. He probably thumbed through and posted his &#8220;scratch-my-back&#8221; review. Btw, I stopped by my local B&amp;N today &#8211; and indeed they have this book. I didn&#8217;t have enough time to really dig into it, but even upon a superficial perusement it appears fattened: the last third is source code dump (no wonder it comes w/o electronic version); the first (probably half) is general Windows stuff (kinda like what one database &#8220;guru&#8221; did a few years ago in order to fatten his 200-page book into a 1000-page monstrosity that he probably thought will make us think it&#8217;s worth a good chunk of money). Is it reasonable to believe that a guy who&#8217;d buy this book (Blunden&#8217;s) will not have already read Windows Internals and a couple of device-driver-development books? But this stuff takes enormous amounts of space, so he plugged it all in and immediately the resulting book is fat and looking expensive. I&#8217;ll spend more time with it next week and will see whether this is justified in any way. This is typical Wordware tricks btw: fifty pages of written material and two hundred of goddamn ASCII tables and reprinted Intel instruction manuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley McGrew</title>
		<link>http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/2009/10/07/book-review-the-rootkit-arsenal/#comment-776</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley McGrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 12:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you might be reading more into the &quot;gang&quot; thing than is there. While a lot of the &quot;I&#039;ll scratch your back if you scratch mine&quot;, especially with publishers like Syngress (see the glowing back-cover comments and initial reviews of the unrevised &quot;Dissecting the Hack), I don&#039;t really buy that Bejtlich is a part of that.   I&#039;ve seen Bejtlich come down on books pretty hard and he often gives negative to middle-of-the-road reviews when the book deserves it.

As for the mention, I couldn&#039;t find a review by Blunden for a Bejtlich book, but it&#039;s entirely possible that he mentioned Bejtlich in the book at some point.  Bejtlich has written so much on the TaoSecurity blog about cyberwarfare (among other topics), that it&#039;s probably a good idea to cite some of it if your book has some discussion of the same material.  I doubt that&#039;d buy you much with Bejtlich, though, as his site&#039;s popular (and good) enough to be quoted and cited in other works without any expectation that he reciprocates.

If there were some kind of arrangement or understanding, I&#039;d have expected Bejtlich to be a little more prompt with his review, even.  If you google: site:taosecurity.blogspot.com &quot;rootkit arsenal&quot; , you&#039;ll notice two posts that show Bejtlich getting his copy in May of 2009, and it taking him almost exactly 11 months to get around to reviewing it.  Not exactly great timing for generating buzz for it.

There&#039;s plenty that&#039;s messed up with computer security book publishing, and many reviewers are overly kind to peers in their field.  I can understand why take reviews with a dose of skepticism, but I can assure you that it&#039;s not the case with this one.

I find it hard to believe that he&#039;s a &quot;hired reviewer&quot;, and I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s a concept that&#039;d fly very far in this field.  Bejtlich (and I, for that matter) may receive complimentary review copies, but it&#039;s not what I would consider &quot;payment&quot;.  Even at the minimum time and effort it would take to look at a book enough to write a convincing review, the amount of money a guy like Bejtlich could expect to make exercising his profession *far* exceeds the value of the book (and likely anything the publisher would be willing to pay for the review).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you might be reading more into the &#8220;gang&#8221; thing than is there. While a lot of the &#8220;I&#8217;ll scratch your back if you scratch mine&#8221;, especially with publishers like Syngress (see the glowing back-cover comments and initial reviews of the unrevised &#8220;Dissecting the Hack), I don&#8217;t really buy that Bejtlich is a part of that.   I&#8217;ve seen Bejtlich come down on books pretty hard and he often gives negative to middle-of-the-road reviews when the book deserves it.</p>
<p>As for the mention, I couldn&#8217;t find a review by Blunden for a Bejtlich book, but it&#8217;s entirely possible that he mentioned Bejtlich in the book at some point.  Bejtlich has written so much on the TaoSecurity blog about cyberwarfare (among other topics), that it&#8217;s probably a good idea to cite some of it if your book has some discussion of the same material.  I doubt that&#8217;d buy you much with Bejtlich, though, as his site&#8217;s popular (and good) enough to be quoted and cited in other works without any expectation that he reciprocates.</p>
<p>If there were some kind of arrangement or understanding, I&#8217;d have expected Bejtlich to be a little more prompt with his review, even.  If you google: site:taosecurity.blogspot.com &#8220;rootkit arsenal&#8221; , you&#8217;ll notice two posts that show Bejtlich getting his copy in May of 2009, and it taking him almost exactly 11 months to get around to reviewing it.  Not exactly great timing for generating buzz for it.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s plenty that&#8217;s messed up with computer security book publishing, and many reviewers are overly kind to peers in their field.  I can understand why take reviews with a dose of skepticism, but I can assure you that it&#8217;s not the case with this one.</p>
<p>I find it hard to believe that he&#8217;s a &#8220;hired reviewer&#8221;, and I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s a concept that&#8217;d fly very far in this field.  Bejtlich (and I, for that matter) may receive complimentary review copies, but it&#8217;s not what I would consider &#8220;payment&#8221;.  Even at the minimum time and effort it would take to look at a book enough to write a convincing review, the amount of money a guy like Bejtlich could expect to make exercising his profession *far* exceeds the value of the book (and likely anything the publisher would be willing to pay for the review).</p>
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		<title>By: Avid Reader</title>
		<link>http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/2009/10/07/book-review-the-rootkit-arsenal/#comment-775</link>
		<dc:creator>Avid Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 21:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, I&#039;ve seen Bejtlich review, in fact, it&#039;s posted on Amazon, so it&#039;s hard to overlook. I don&#039;t  trust reviews like that though: this guy (Bejtlich) does try to write sensible reviews, but it&#039;s obvious that he&#039;s a member of the gang, as it were: he reviews on demand, like a professional reviewer. He&#039;s not very bad, but I distrust hired reviewers. Btw, you&#039;re wrong in thinking he has no personal affiliation: Blunden reviewed his book (or mentioned him in the book, something like that). That&#039;s what I mean by &quot;member of the gang&quot;. They review one another&#039;s books, work with the same publishers, this sort of thing. This is a shameless racket (though again, to be fair, Beijtlich seems at least trying to be reasonalbe; I&#039;ve seen many reviews of his on Amazon).

I haven&#039;t read anything on this site: I got here while searching for reviews on Blunden&#039;s book. Well, I&#039;ll check it out in a store, I guess, hopeuflly B&amp;N have it. It looks very enticing, but I&#039;ll be careful. Blunden&#039;s past books also looked great (but weren&#039;t), and as far as Wordware, it&#039;s a horror story. Very pretty books, but not one was any good that I looked at (I even bought a few, to my chagrin).

If I get to check it out, I&#039;ll post an update. Take care, for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, I&#8217;ve seen Bejtlich review, in fact, it&#8217;s posted on Amazon, so it&#8217;s hard to overlook. I don&#8217;t  trust reviews like that though: this guy (Bejtlich) does try to write sensible reviews, but it&#8217;s obvious that he&#8217;s a member of the gang, as it were: he reviews on demand, like a professional reviewer. He&#8217;s not very bad, but I distrust hired reviewers. Btw, you&#8217;re wrong in thinking he has no personal affiliation: Blunden reviewed his book (or mentioned him in the book, something like that). That&#8217;s what I mean by &#8220;member of the gang&#8221;. They review one another&#8217;s books, work with the same publishers, this sort of thing. This is a shameless racket (though again, to be fair, Beijtlich seems at least trying to be reasonalbe; I&#8217;ve seen many reviews of his on Amazon).</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read anything on this site: I got here while searching for reviews on Blunden&#8217;s book. Well, I&#8217;ll check it out in a store, I guess, hopeuflly B&amp;N have it. It looks very enticing, but I&#8217;ll be careful. Blunden&#8217;s past books also looked great (but weren&#8217;t), and as far as Wordware, it&#8217;s a horror story. Very pretty books, but not one was any good that I looked at (I even bought a few, to my chagrin).</p>
<p>If I get to check it out, I&#8217;ll post an update. Take care, for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley McGrew</title>
		<link>http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/2009/10/07/book-review-the-rootkit-arsenal/#comment-774</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley McGrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Avid Reader,

I didn&#039;t know Bill Blunden at all until I saw his book in the vendor area at Defcon last year and looked him up to request a review copy of this book.   After being in contact with him, though, I will say he&#039;s a nice guy.  If you read the other book reviews on this site, however, you&#039;ll see that I&#039;m not exactly kind to books just because they&#039;re by nice guys (Jayson Street &amp;  Johnny Long come to mind).

There is a serving of Blunden&#039;s opinion in The Rootkit Arsenal, and you might not like that.  I never felt like it detracted from the technical content of the book, though, and it was pretty easy to sort out what you agree/disagree with, and keep it separate from the cold hard facts of rootkit techniques.  Even if you completely disagree with his opinions, there&#039;s plenty to learn from this book for most readers.

I honestly don&#039;t know anything about the publisher, as this is the only book from them that I&#039;ve read.

My advice:  Check out Richard Bejtlich&#039;s review, as he has a much better reputation than I do for computer security book reviews.  I don&#039;t believe he has any personal affiliation with Blunden, and he is well aware of what makes a bad book.  Then browse over the content in Google Books.

Come back and let me know what you think!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Avid Reader,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know Bill Blunden at all until I saw his book in the vendor area at Defcon last year and looked him up to request a review copy of this book.   After being in contact with him, though, I will say he&#8217;s a nice guy.  If you read the other book reviews on this site, however, you&#8217;ll see that I&#8217;m not exactly kind to books just because they&#8217;re by nice guys (Jayson Street &#038;  Johnny Long come to mind).</p>
<p>There is a serving of Blunden&#8217;s opinion in The Rootkit Arsenal, and you might not like that.  I never felt like it detracted from the technical content of the book, though, and it was pretty easy to sort out what you agree/disagree with, and keep it separate from the cold hard facts of rootkit techniques.  Even if you completely disagree with his opinions, there&#8217;s plenty to learn from this book for most readers.</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t know anything about the publisher, as this is the only book from them that I&#8217;ve read.</p>
<p>My advice:  Check out Richard Bejtlich&#8217;s review, as he has a much better reputation than I do for computer security book reviews.  I don&#8217;t believe he has any personal affiliation with Blunden, and he is well aware of what makes a bad book.  Then browse over the content in Google Books.</p>
<p>Come back and let me know what you think!</p>
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		<title>By: Avid Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avid Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blunden&#039;s previous record as a writer is uninspiring: he always came across as a confused and opinionated bloviator publishing exclusively through a known bad publisher (WordWare). This new book does look interesting, but because of the past, and also because all the currently available reviews come from his buddies and members of the industry (and are exclusively positive), I&#039;ll wait till there&#039;s some sort of unaffiliated information. Nevertheless, kudos to the poster for mentioning that he reviewed a freebie copy and is acquainted with the author: providing such disclaimers is, unfortunately, far from common. Oh, funny: he even posted a Wikipedia article about this book. Talk about limitless self-promotion... Btw, to those who don&#039;t know: James and Barlett (current publisher) IS Wordware. Either they changed the name, or bought WW... either way, it&#039;s the same publisher with the history of publishing megatons of unedited crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blunden&#8217;s previous record as a writer is uninspiring: he always came across as a confused and opinionated bloviator publishing exclusively through a known bad publisher (WordWare). This new book does look interesting, but because of the past, and also because all the currently available reviews come from his buddies and members of the industry (and are exclusively positive), I&#8217;ll wait till there&#8217;s some sort of unaffiliated information. Nevertheless, kudos to the poster for mentioning that he reviewed a freebie copy and is acquainted with the author: providing such disclaimers is, unfortunately, far from common. Oh, funny: he even posted a Wikipedia article about this book. Talk about limitless self-promotion&#8230; Btw, to those who don&#8217;t know: James and Barlett (current publisher) IS Wordware. Either they changed the name, or bought WW&#8230; either way, it&#8217;s the same publisher with the history of publishing megatons of unedited crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley McGrew</title>
		<link>http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/2009/10/07/book-review-the-rootkit-arsenal/#comment-772</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley McGrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just checked, and you&#039;re right, Leon!  It looks like you can browse the complete book there, so I highly recommend readers check it out before getting a print copy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just checked, and you&#8217;re right, Leon!  It looks like you can browse the complete book there, so I highly recommend readers check it out before getting a print copy.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This book is also available on google books..</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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