Comments on: Attrition.org on The Art of War http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/2010/07/02/attrition-org-on-the-art-of-war/ Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:44:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Genocide http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/2010/07/02/attrition-org-on-the-art-of-war/#comment-943 Genocide Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:48:22 +0000 http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/?p=763#comment-943 Wow. I've read the Art of War about ten different times over the past 15 years, and I'm really surprised that it's infiltrating white hat security sites as a trendy quotemine. The Art of War is generally very literal, referring to attacking from high ground, etc. It was literally meant as an instruction manual. Reading through it to find applications to security is kind of pointless, as the Attrition post points out; it's just a cheap way to add gravitas to stale writing. Most of quoted portions strike me as relevant to social engineering, at best. Wow. I’ve read the Art of War about ten different times over the past 15 years, and I’m really surprised that it’s infiltrating white hat security sites as a trendy quotemine. The Art of War is generally very literal, referring to attacking from high ground, etc. It was literally meant as an instruction manual. Reading through it to find applications to security is kind of pointless, as the Attrition post points out; it’s just a cheap way to add gravitas to stale writing. Most of quoted portions strike me as relevant to social engineering, at best.

]]> By: Dario http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/2010/07/02/attrition-org-on-the-art-of-war/#comment-942 Dario Mon, 12 Jul 2010 02:40:56 +0000 http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/?p=763#comment-942 Thank you for your site! I'm subscribed and I'll keep on reading! Thank you for your site! I’m subscribed and I’ll keep on reading!

]]> By: Wesley McGrew http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/2010/07/02/attrition-org-on-the-art-of-war/#comment-941 Wesley McGrew Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:40:54 +0000 http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/?p=763#comment-941 Thanks Dario. That feeling isn't a complete anomaly. I actually subscribe to your posts in that twilight dimension, and that's where I plagiarize all my content ;) I'm a big fan of "Lie to Me". Ekman maintains a blog that discusses what's right and wrong with each episode that makes for an interesting read: http://www.community.fox.com/drpaulekman/blog/ As far as Sun Tzu goes, I think that Richard Bejtlich makes a good point that, while most references to Tzu in infosec aren't very meaningful, it might have some application to honest-to-god cyberwar. Essentially, a situation where the players involved have the ability to strike back and go on the offensive. Thanks for the comment! Thanks Dario. That feeling isn’t a complete anomaly. I actually subscribe to your posts in that twilight dimension, and that’s where I plagiarize all my content ;)

I’m a big fan of “Lie to Me”. Ekman maintains a blog that discusses what’s right and wrong with each episode that makes for an interesting read: http://www.community.fox.com/drpaulekman/blog/

As far as Sun Tzu goes, I think that Richard Bejtlich makes a good point that, while most references to Tzu in infosec aren’t very meaningful, it might have some application to honest-to-god cyberwar. Essentially, a situation where the players involved have the ability to strike back and go on the offensive.

Thanks for the comment!

]]> By: Dario http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/2010/07/02/attrition-org-on-the-art-of-war/#comment-940 Dario Wed, 07 Jul 2010 09:33:55 +0000 http://www.mcgrewsecurity.com/?p=763#comment-940 Dude! Reading you is like reading a post written by me in a twilight dimension or something. Paul Ekman rocks! Did you see the TV series "Lie to Me"? It's based on his research and he's actually a consultant for the actors and screenwriters. Sun Tzu also rocks, but in a different way. I'm about to read Attrition's post so not much to say yet... although I think it's important to mention that some of it might have been lost in the translation... you know from 6 century BC parchment traditional Chinese calligraphy to iPhone. Keep up the good blog! Dude! Reading you is like reading a post written by me in a twilight dimension or something. Paul Ekman rocks! Did you see the TV series “Lie to Me”? It’s based on his research and he’s actually a consultant for the actors and screenwriters.

Sun Tzu also rocks, but in a different way. I’m about to read Attrition’s post so not much to say yet… although I think it’s important to mention that some of it might have been lost in the translation… you know from 6 century BC parchment traditional Chinese calligraphy to iPhone.

Keep up the good blog!

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